Life Without Feminism a sack
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Life Without Feminism
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I imagine a world where men aren’t afraid to speak their minds like they are today. At work, in the home and in public, men could make their opinions heard without worrying about being canned, browbeaten or denounced.
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Oh noz! I’m being opressed by a a conspiracy of women – because if I dared speak my mind I would be – wait for it – browbeaten!!!
Help me, Obi-Wan Patriarchy, you’re my only hope!
Seriously, though, I love this: a guy is complaining that he might be denounced.
’cause that is exactly what my grandfather, a Marine in the Pacific Campaign, worried about. Being denounced by some chick at the school bake sale.
Well, that and Japanese infantry.
Actually, no, I think it was mostly Japanese infantry that concerned him.
As a matter of fact, in between killing fascists, being an iron worker 40 stories above the streets of Manhattan, and raising a family of four kids, he probably didn’t take two milliseconds to give a rat’s ass about what anyone thought of him.
…And now, in the year 2010, the poor little darlings in the Men’s Movement are all atwitter and feeling faint because a woman might say something mean about them.
Let us review:
http://www.overcomingbias.com/2010/01/st…
A. High-status behaviors
1. Having no visible reaction to what the other person said.
2. Speaking in complete sentences.
3. Talking matter-of-factly about things that the other person finds displeasing or offensive.
4. Speaking authoritatively, with certainty.
5. Giving or withholding permission.
6. Evaluating other people’s work.
7. Speaking cryptically.
8. Being surrounded by an entourage.B. Low-status behaviors
1. Speaking in halting, incomplete sentences.
2. Dancing around your words when talking about something that will displease the other person.
3. Shouting as an attempt to intimidate the other person.
4. Adjusting the way you say something to help the other person understand.
To put it crisply:
Real men don’t give a shit about being denounced by feminists (or the NRA, or the global warming industry, or … )
For the undescended-testicles-set, though: please, keep worrying about what other people think and telling us about how you’re so opressed by social conventions.
January 30th, 2010 at 2:07 pm
To put it crisply:
Or, 4. Adjusting the way you say something to help the other person understand?
;-)
January 30th, 2010 at 2:13 pm
Can you have your sack and the girl too?
January 30th, 2010 at 3:56 pm
Except this has less to do with hurt feelings, and more to do with the way feminism has destroyed the workplace. I once said the word “vagina” while teaching a medical class and a woman complained. I have not been asked to lecture there since. Read about it:
http://street-pharmacy.blogspot.com/2009/11/political-correctness.html
January 30th, 2010 at 4:08 pm
You’re ignoring closed-loop work environments (eg the intelligence world). The various acronym agencies are desperate to promote women, who then focus on promoting eaching other and aren’t shy about undermining or eliminating the competition (ie guys who “talk matter-of-factly about things that the other person finds displeasing or offensive”).
For that matter, the military seems to be in the same situation right now. With an up-or-out policy, all it takes is for one whining, offended baby girl to completely derail a guy’s career. And, as you well know, if you don’t make twenty then you don’t get a retirement package.
Coming back to the original quote, I think the first step in achieving a world where you can state simple truths without being penalised, is to imagine that world. Some of us already may be there . . . some (me) are getting closer . . . others — including some of our very best people — are far from it, without any immediate hope of improving things.
So, I still like your general idea, but what’s the advice for someone who’s on a career treadmill and can’t get off without taking a massive loss?
January 30th, 2010 at 7:41 pm
So, I still like your general idea, but what’s the advice for someone who’s on a career treadmill….
Deal with it. High-status behaviors, as here defined, lead to a gamble between a very few life outcomes with wide independence and high self-esteem . . . and a much larger number of life outcomes with low pay, few choices, a conspiracy of contemptible low-status bosses hemming you in at every turn, and high self-esteem. The “high self-esteem” part is the payoff, and you sacrifice it immediately when you refuse to suck it up and accept like a man that the system we live in rewards other behaviors much more highly on average. Even if you had known how the odds were stacked against you, you’d still have gambled, because that’s just the stuff you’re made of. Be proud of it, and get back to work.
January 30th, 2010 at 8:08 pm
Sounds like your grandfather is cut from the same cloth as mine.
January 30th, 2010 at 11:39 pm
[quote comment="230763"]So, I still like your general idea, but what’s the advice for someone who’s on a career treadmill….
Deal with it. High-status behaviors, as here defined, lead to a gamble between a very few life outcomes with wide independence and high self-esteem . . . and a much larger number of life outcomes with low pay, few choices, a conspiracy of contemptible low-status bosses hemming you in at every turn, and high self-esteem. The “high self-esteem” part is the payoff, and you sacrifice it immediately when you refuse to suck it up and accept like a man that the system we live in rewards other behaviors much more highly on average. Even if you had known how the odds were stacked against you, you’d still have gambled, because that’s just the stuff you’re made of. Be proud of it, and get back to work.[/quote]
I think Joshua is trying to parody my mindset (I might be wrong), but he nails it.
[quote comment="230760"]You’re ignoring closed-loop work environments (eg the intelligence world).[/quote]
Yup.
[quote comment="230760"]the military seems to be in the same situation right now. With an up-or-out policy, all it takes is for one whining, offended baby girl to completely derail a guy’s career.
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I used to think that women shouldn’t be in the combat arms of the military. I now waver on that issue, and sometimes think that they shouldn’t be in the military at all.
Actually, I’m a bit openminded here: perhaps post menopausal, sterile, or lesbian women should be allowed.
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And, as you well know, if you don’t make twenty then you don’t get a retirement package.
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Oh noz! That probably sets all the real warriors quaking in their boots.
January 30th, 2010 at 11:41 pm
[quote comment="230763"] High-status behaviors, as here defined…[/quote]
Now I’m a little sad.
I went to all the trouble of skewering Joshua’s status seeking behaviors
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5. Giving or withholding permission.
6. Evaluating other people’s work.
7. Speaking cryptically.
)
and he didn’t even notice.
January 30th, 2010 at 11:42 pm
[quote comment="230759"]Except this has less to do with hurt feelings, and more to do with the way feminism has destroyed the workplace. I once said the word “vagina” while teaching a medical class and a woman complained. I have not been asked to lecture there since. Read about it:
http://street-pharmacy.blogspot.com/2009/11/political-correctness.html/quote
Unreal.
January 30th, 2010 at 11:48 pm
[quote comment="230776"][quote comment="230759"]Except this has less to do with hurt feelings, and more to do with the way feminism has destroyed the workplace. I once said the word “vagina” while teaching a medical class and a woman complained. I have not been asked to lecture there since. Read about it:
http://street-pharmacy.blogspot.com/2009/11/political-correctness.html/quote
Unreal.[/quote]
Everyone knows “bearded clam” is the proper term.
January 31st, 2010 at 8:52 am
I had a little boy get all upset and butthurt at work once because I said to him, and I quote, “Aren’t you done yet? I told you to go back there and tuck your goddam shirt in, not rub one off on company time.”
He claimed it was “sexual harassment”. Men are such big babies.
January 31st, 2010 at 9:55 am
Self-esteem and high status are all well and good, but they don’t pay the rent or put food on the table. We’ve know far too many good men whose careers have been ruined by the whiny little cry-babies who were “uncomfortable” dealing with The Real World. The ones who need to “grow up and get over it” are the cry-babies, not their victims.
Now, where’s that song by The Eagles?
February 1st, 2010 at 11:45 am
This.
Lord spare me from people who think that freedom of expression means they should be free from social consequences of their speech.
February 1st, 2010 at 12:48 pm
[quote comment="230870"]
Lord spare me from people who think that freedom of expression means they should be free from social consequences of their speech.[/quote]
Oh, I certainly think that people should deal with the social fallout of their stances.
February 1st, 2010 at 1:48 pm
Let me further add that the ACTUAL social repercussions from pissing off feminists, the NRA, members of the AGW industry, etc., are relatively low, as low.
THAT is the majority of the point that I was making.
February 1st, 2010 at 4:19 pm
And I was agreeing with you.
I was simply pointing out that the caterwauling over being “denounced” usually involves violence both to manliness and to the law.