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	<description>Rope!</description>
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		<title>By: brian</title>
		<link>http://tjic.com/?p=9028&#038;cpage=1#comment-142367</link>
		<dc:creator>brian</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 15 May 2008 22:28:58 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>.... I hate you all, from chimpanz-a to chimpanzee ....</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8230;. I hate you all, from chimpanz-a to chimpanzee &#8230;.</p>
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		<title>By: James Barlow</title>
		<link>http://tjic.com/?p=9028&#038;cpage=1#comment-142356</link>
		<dc:creator>James Barlow</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 15 May 2008 20:18:43 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>That&#039;s just great. Now I&#039;ll have the songs from &quot;Stop the Planet of the Apes! I want to get off&quot; going around in my head for the next couple of days.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>That&#8217;s just great. Now I&#8217;ll have the songs from &#8220;Stop the Planet of the Apes! I want to get off&#8221; going around in my head for the next couple of days.</p>
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		<title>By: aaron</title>
		<link>http://tjic.com/?p=9028&#038;cpage=1#comment-142351</link>
		<dc:creator>aaron</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 15 May 2008 19:20:44 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Looking over the NASA page I note two interesting facts that seem to contradict (or at least not support your hypothesis) that the sea ice isn&#039;t really going away..

1) Although there was record ice growth in 2007 (did you mean 2007 not 2008?) this wasn&#039;t sufficient to bring the total ice levels up to seasonal averages (I don&#039;t know if it was enough to make up for the record melt though).

2) There&#039;s also the question of how thick the melted ice was, and how thick the new ice is. If the old ice was dozens of meters think, and the new ice only a couple meters or less, than that&#039;s quite a difference and the new ice will melt a lot easier in the future.

As to the polar bears themselves the big question is how well can they adapt to the future loss of ice, unfortunately I don&#039;t know enough to answer that.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Looking over the NASA page I note two interesting facts that seem to contradict (or at least not support your hypothesis) that the sea ice isn&#8217;t really going away..</p>
<p>1) Although there was record ice growth in 2007 (did you mean 2007 not 2008?) this wasn&#8217;t sufficient to bring the total ice levels up to seasonal averages (I don&#8217;t know if it was enough to make up for the record melt though).</p>
<p>2) There&#8217;s also the question of how thick the melted ice was, and how thick the new ice is. If the old ice was dozens of meters think, and the new ice only a couple meters or less, than that&#8217;s quite a difference and the new ice will melt a lot easier in the future.</p>
<p>As to the polar bears themselves the big question is how well can they adapt to the future loss of ice, unfortunately I don&#8217;t know enough to answer that.</p>
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		<title>By: Jered</title>
		<link>http://tjic.com/?p=9028&#038;cpage=1#comment-142336</link>
		<dc:creator>Jered</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 15 May 2008 17:39:51 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>test.. got errors on that last comment...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>test.. got errors on that last comment&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: Jered</title>
		<link>http://tjic.com/?p=9028&#038;cpage=1#comment-142335</link>
		<dc:creator>Jered</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 15 May 2008 17:38:06 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;i&gt;Letâ€™s also ignore the fact that arctic sea ice grew faster in 2008 than ever before : 58,000 square miles of sea ice per day, for 10 days straight.&lt;/i&gt;

This is an interesting page, but I&#039;m not sure how it supports your point.  It shows that arctic sea ice grew quickly between September and November, when it normally grows, but that in both September and November it was substantially smaller than during comparable periods 1978-2002.

Now, complaining about arctic ice shrinking may, in fact, be bullshit (the fact that the 1978-2002 line is a median, and no data is provided about min/max/std-dev makes this not useful), but you&#039;re abusing the statistics just as badly as anyone else.  C&#039;mon, TJIC, be a rational being, not a television pundit!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><i>Letâ€™s also ignore the fact that arctic sea ice grew faster in 2008 than ever before : 58,000 square miles of sea ice per day, for 10 days straight.</i></p>
<p>This is an interesting page, but I&#8217;m not sure how it supports your point.  It shows that arctic sea ice grew quickly between September and November, when it normally grows, but that in both September and November it was substantially smaller than during comparable periods 1978-2002.</p>
<p>Now, complaining about arctic ice shrinking may, in fact, be bullshit (the fact that the 1978-2002 line is a median, and no data is provided about min/max/std-dev makes this not useful), but you&#8217;re abusing the statistics just as badly as anyone else.  C&#8217;mon, TJIC, be a rational being, not a television pundit!</p>
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		<title>By: Max Lybbert</title>
		<link>http://tjic.com/?p=9028&#038;cpage=1#comment-142323</link>
		<dc:creator>Max Lybbert</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 15 May 2008 15:53:26 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>When I lived in California, the State Department of Fish and Game was about to allow hunting mountain lions again because their numbers were getting larger and, frankly, they were starting to attack humans inside cities.  So there was a ballot initiative that declared the mountain lion off limits to hunters.  It passed, but I was always upset that the state had a Department of Fish and Game which, apparently, wasn&#039;t allowed to make decisions based on actual evidence.

This seems like the flip side to that.  Instead of voters overturning a reasoned decision, politicians are making decisions in spite of available evidence.  The articles I read on this suggested that polar bears today are not in any danger, but the Department of the Interior thinks that they may be in danger in the future.  That doesn&#039;t seem like a reason to classify a species as &quot;threatened.&quot;

Of course they tried to walk a crazy line on this one, and haven&#039;t satisfied anyone.  &quot;Polar bears are on the threatened list because in the future Global Warming may threaten them; but by putting them on this list for this reason we will not try to regulate anything related to Global Warming.&quot;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>When I lived in California, the State Department of Fish and Game was about to allow hunting mountain lions again because their numbers were getting larger and, frankly, they were starting to attack humans inside cities.  So there was a ballot initiative that declared the mountain lion off limits to hunters.  It passed, but I was always upset that the state had a Department of Fish and Game which, apparently, wasn&#8217;t allowed to make decisions based on actual evidence.</p>
<p>This seems like the flip side to that.  Instead of voters overturning a reasoned decision, politicians are making decisions in spite of available evidence.  The articles I read on this suggested that polar bears today are not in any danger, but the Department of the Interior thinks that they may be in danger in the future.  That doesn&#8217;t seem like a reason to classify a species as &#8220;threatened.&#8221;</p>
<p>Of course they tried to walk a crazy line on this one, and haven&#8217;t satisfied anyone.  &#8220;Polar bears are on the threatened list because in the future Global Warming may threaten them; but by putting them on this list for this reason we will not try to regulate anything related to Global Warming.&#8221;</p>
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		<title>By: DJB</title>
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		<dc:creator>DJB</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 15 May 2008 14:01:48 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;Bears depend almost exclusively on sea ice to hunt for ringed seals and other prey.&quot;

That just means more seal for the rest of us.  mmmmmm, baby seal.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;Bears depend almost exclusively on sea ice to hunt for ringed seals and other prey.&#8221;</p>
<p>That just means more seal for the rest of us.  mmmmmm, baby seal.</p>
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		<title>By: ngvrnd</title>
		<link>http://tjic.com/?p=9028&#038;cpage=1#comment-142300</link>
		<dc:creator>ngvrnd</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 15 May 2008 13:17:10 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Everything makes sense.  Other than that, yes.  In re: Statue, I think something knocked its head off recently.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Everything makes sense.  Other than that, yes.  In re: Statue, I think something knocked its head off recently.</p>
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